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Posts: 5093 (06/25/09 05:39:06) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None President Obama struggled to explain today whether his health care reform proposals would force normal Americans to make sacrifices that wealthier, more powerful people -- like the president himself -- wouldn't face. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/HealthCare/story?id=7919991&page=1 Call this a teachable moment, but even with ABC's best-laid plans to kickstart the debate about health care reform and not allow the "Prescription for America" special to become an "infomercial," as many have complained - the president spent more than twice as much time as his questioners vaguely answering or not answering the questions asked of him. http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2009/20090625043708.aspx
101blue		#1	[-]
Posts: 5098 (06/25/09 06:06:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	With lawmakers trying to crunch the numbers on a $1 trillion health care overhaul, President Barack Obama is leaving the door open to a new tax on employer-provided health care benefits. Senior senators said Wednesday the benefits tax could be essential for the complex plan to be fully financed. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090625/D991LLPG0.html During the presidential campaign Obama blasted McCain for a proposal to tax health care benefits. Weird, huh...
Vacationagent		#2	[-]
Posts: 4841 (06/25/09 06:35:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Let's see...packing the audience with friendly folks so he would only get soft questions- as we know, Obama didn't invent that one.
Gregg Welpe		#3	[-]
Posts: 7594 (06/25/09 08:14:40) Registered User. Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	And on last night's Nightline he said that a public option would be an alternate choice to the private options that are currently available. Implementing such a public program WILL bring lower costs and that is why the private insurers are in such an uproar, their profit margins would drop as a result.....
101blue		#4	[-]
Posts: 5099 (06/25/09 08:17:47) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Let's see...packing the audience with friendly folks so he would only get soft questions- as we know, Obama didn't invent that one. No, but as far as I know, he's the only one the media has given a pass...
101blue		#5	[-]
Posts: 5100 (06/25/09 08:24:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	And on last night's Nightline he said that a public option would be an alternate choice to the private options that are currently available. Dear Numbskull-In-Chief, the minute the public option appears, why would an employer continue to pay for healthcare when he can lay that expense off on the government? Many people will see their healthcare plans simply disappear and they will have no option to the public program.
Vacationagent		#6	[-]
Posts: 4846 (06/25/09 10:52:02) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	101blue wrote: No, but as far as I know, he's the only one the media has given a pass... Blue, sugar, you aren't paying attention. Did you see the press conference where he was talking out his new anti-smoking legislation? They were asking him about his own smoking habit and he was wanting to talk about his legislation. And they wouldn't quit asking him about his smoking. They got his back up. It was pretty funny.
Gregg Welpe		#7	[-]
Posts: 7595 (06/25/09 11:26:44) Registered User. Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	101blue wrote: And on last night's Nightline he said that a public option would be an alternate choice to the private options that are currently available. Dear Numbskull-In-Chief, the minute the public option appears, why would an employer continue to pay for healthcare when he can lay that expense off on the government? Many people will see their healthcare plans simply disappear and they will have no option to the public program. Oh my, why you ask? Perhaps people WANT the option to choose, so do employers! The public option is not an all-or-nothing propsition, only a fool would believe that, oh wait, a fool already does!
Maynard999		#8	[-]
Posts: 785 (06/25/09 11:56:28) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Gregg Welpe wrote: 101blue wrote: And on last night's Nightline he said that a public option would be an alternate choice to the private options that are currently available. Dear Numbskull-In-Chief, the minute the public option appears, why would an employer continue to pay for healthcare when he can lay that expense off on the government? Many people will see their healthcare plans simply disappear and they will have no option to the public program. Oh my, why you ask? Perhaps people WANT the option to choose, so do employers! The public option is not an all-or-nothing propsition, only a fool would believe that, oh wait, a fool already does! It takes away your option, unless of course you are the employer. If your the employee, yourboss can just discontinue your plan and send you off to the government plan, thus saving him money and making himself richer, while you the employee end up with inferior healthcare and pay the cost through higher taxes. We have seen how competent our government has been about overseeing the banking industry. Do you really want them managing your healthcare? Have you ever seen a government program run at the projected cost? The system may not be perfect, but it is far from as broken as the government would like us to think. I personally cannot wait to have to pay for Obama's care for lung cancer after those years of smoking. Last Edited By: Maynard999 06/28/09 13:24:16. Edited 1 times.
Bodega		#9	[-]
Posts: 3156 (06/25/09 11:57:47) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	101blue wrote: And on last night's Nightline he said that a public option would be an alternate choice to the private options that are currently available. Dear Numbskull-In-Chief, the minute the public option appears, why would an employer continue to pay for healthcare when he can lay that expense off on the government? Many people will see their healthcare plans simply disappear and they will have no option to the public program. Sad mess isn't it! I believe the President said that private insurance isn't going away. But it a government run plan is available at no cost to an employer, why wouldn't she stop paying for the employees? If you want a private plan, then you pay for it. Employers only offer coverage as a job incentive and those extras are getting harder to offer. We pay 100% off our employees and their family's medical coverage costs, but that may be changing in some form in the next few months. Not what we want to do but it is what we may have to do. At least we don't live in a city that requires businesses to offer coverage.
Bodega		#10	[-]
Posts: 3157 (06/25/09 12:02:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Maynard999 wrote: Gregg Welpe wrote: 101blue wrote: And on last night's Nightline he said that a public option would be an alternate choice to the private options that are currently available. Dear Numbskull-In-Chief, the minute the public option appears, why would an employer continue to pay for healthcare when he can lay that expense off on the government? Many people will see their healthcare plans simply disappear and they will have no option to the public program. Oh my, why you ask? Perhaps people WANT the option to choose, so do employers! The public option is not an all-or-nothing propsition, only a fool would believe that, oh wait, a fool already does! It takes away your option, unless of course you are the employer. If you the employee, you boss can just discontinue your plan and send you off to the government plan, thus saving him money and making himself richer, while you the employee end up with inferior healthcare and pay the ocst through higher taxes. We have seen how competent our government has been about overseeing the banking industry. Do you really want them managing your healthcare? have you ever seen a government program run at the projected cost? The system may not be perfect, but it is far from as broken as the government would like us to think. I personally cannot wait to have to pay for Obama's care for lung cancer after those years of smoking. Yeah, I can't wait to not have to offer medical to our employees. The money I save will pay for a trip to Tahiti, a new boat. Look out, I will be on a spending frenzy. The system is broken and if you have used it, you would know. My monthly medical bill has gone up over $500 since fall and I get less in my benefits for it, too. Tell me why $1100 a month for 2 people is ok with you?
Gregg Welpe		#11	[-]
Posts: 7596 (06/25/09 12:14:48) Registered User. Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The politics of fear is alive and well in Amerika, see why: President Obama's public health insurance option-the key to lowering costs and helping cover everyone-is in danger. The threat? The so-called co-op plan. If you have no idea what that means, don't worry. This stuff is confusing and changing quickly. So here are three great articles laying out the case FOR the public health insurance option, and AGAINST the co-op plan. "Health Care Showdown," by Paul Krugman, Nobel prize-winning economist and New York Times columnist: "For the record, neither regional health cooperatives nor state-level public plans, both of which have been proposed as alternatives [to the public option], would have the financial stability and bargaining power needed to bring down health care costs." "Un-Cooperative: The Trouble with Conrad's Compromise," by Jacob Hacker, author of Health Care for America and U.C. Berkeley political scientist: "[The co-op plan is]...not going to have the ability to be a cost-control backstop, much less a benchmark for private plans, because they are not going to have the reach or authority to implement innovative delivery and payment reforms." "Why We Need a Public Health-Care Plan," by Robert B. Reich, former secretary of labor and professor at the University of California: "...cooperatives would lack the scale and authority to negotiate lower rates with drug companies and other providers, collect wide data on outcomes, or effect major change in the system." Experts agree: the co-op doesn't cut it. But some senators are in danger of bargaining away our best chance at health care reform in a decade.
Wyo.thebleachermob		#12	[-]
Posts: 70 (06/26/09 06:44:40) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	No, but as far as I know, he's the only one the media has given a pass... Blue, sugar, you aren't paying attention. Did you see the press conference where he was talking out his new anti-smoking legislation? They were asking him about his own smoking habit and he was wanting to talk about his legislation. And they wouldn't quit asking him about his smoking. They got his back up. It was pretty funny. This is your idea of the media, hard at work? No one gives a rat whether Obama sneaks a smoke. This is called a "smokescreen" and the O and the media are in it together. We're looking at a virtual revolution in the United States - state control of capitalist enterprise, printing trillions of dollars to pay for things we can't afford (way worse than people taking out risky mortgages - at least they planned to pay back with their own money - Obama plans to pay with YOUR money), a cap & trade scheme (set to be voted on TODAY) that will amount to the largest tax increase in our history, refusal to exploit our own proven energy resources, a multi-trillion dollar government health care program that has yet to be defined, unchecked immigration, community "organizers" run amok (ACORN), a "czar" system to run the affairs of the country, oh, and did I mention the a-holes who control Iran are killing Iranians (however many it takes, baby) and pressing ahead to get the bomb and, did I mention the NKs who already have the bomb are threatening to use it? Did I mention Obama's security policy in this environment is to turn his back on missile defense systems, cut funding for the next generation combat aircraft and focus more on diversity in the military. While all this and so much more is going on, ABC "News" gives the man an hour and a half of primetime TV for an infomercial, forbids any contrary message (even in paid advertising) and the tough questions they come up with are about Obama maybe sneaking a smoke. God save the Republic.
Wyo.thebleachermob		#13	[-]
Posts: 71 (06/26/09 06:50:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The politics of fear is alive and well in Amerika, Every time you write "Amerika", I stop reading. Many have worked and sacrificed so you can have so much. What in the hell have you ever done to benefit the public good?
Gregg Welpe		#14	[-]
Posts: 7598 (06/26/09 07:47:55) Registered User. Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Wyo wrote: The politics of fear is alive and well in Amerika, Every time you write "Amerika", I stop reading. Many have worked and sacrificed so you can have so much. What in the hell have you ever done to benefit the public good? I am here to counter the extremism from the far right! So whhat the hell have YOU done? Pissing and moaning about Obama does not count!America was a great nation BEFORE it was highjacked by the extremists who complain incessantly about Obama socializing Amerika!
rmd2020		#15	[-]
Posts: 213 (06/26/09 10:41:09) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Gregg Welpe said.... I am here to counter the extremism from the far right! So whhat the hell have YOU done? Pissing and moaning about Obama does not count!America was a great nation BEFORE it was high-jacked by the extremists who complain incessantly about Obama socializing Amerika! I'm confused here, Mr. Gregg. What time " BEFORE" are you referring to? Didn't the most liberal Senator in the history of the country win election as President? Didn't the Congress flip to Democrat? Isn't the US Senate on the verge of rubber stamping virtually everything Obama wants? Which extremists have hijacked what here? Obama makes no bones about wanting to redistribute the country's wealth, and has made some "great leaps forward". I think those who are not fond of a socialist bent to the country certainly can complain about it. If not, we are certainly heading towards a liberal fascist "Amerika". Really, say it. You want those right wing extremists to just be shut up and marshaled away. Perhaps to a re education center? Perhaps even to a little hard labor for the People? Or a gas oven, perhaps? Then life would be paradise with all like-minded true believers, no? Pity some won't just go away.
Gregg Welpe		#16	[-]
Posts: 7600 (06/26/09 11:16:24) Registered User. Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	rmd2020 wrote: Gregg Welpe said.... I'm confused here, Mr. Gregg. What time " BEFORE" are you referring to? Didn't the most liberal Senator in the history of the country win election as President? Didn't the Congress flip to Democrat? Isn't the US Senate on the verge of rubber stamping virtually everything Obama wants? Which extremists have hijacked what here? Obama makes no bones about wanting to redistribute the country's wealth, and has made some "great leaps forward". RMD2020, you are a piece of work sometimes, 1994 ring a bell?The Contract on America was introduced by then Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich. Your selective memory is truly indicative of most right-wing nutjobs, perhaps you should take a course in history 101 at a local community college to freshen your memory...... Last Edited By: Gregg Welpe 06/26/09 13:06:16. Edited 1 times.
101blue		#17	[-]
Posts: 5108 (06/26/09 14:20:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I am here to counter the extremism from the far right! So whhat the hell have YOU done? Pissing and moaning about Obama does not count! Far right? The left is in complete control of the government at the moment. As for myself, I served in the military for over 20 years. I've worked as a volunteer to make every community I've lived in a better place. I've provided extensive and continuing pro-bono professional services to schools in my community. I helped raise two wonderful children who, themselves, lead productive lives and serve others in myriad ways. I've taken three terminal relatives into my home and personally cared for them in the final months of their lives. All routine stuff but more useful, I think, than standing by the roadside waving a sign calling for the world to change so I could have it my way. America was a great nation BEFORE it was highjacked by the extremists who complain incessantly about Obama socializing Amerika! I don't think Obama is socializing the country. I believe he's an out-and-out communist who hates the country he rules as much as you do. What past version of America is it that you prefer? Segregated America? FDR's locking up of citizens of Japanese ancestry? Prohibition America? The America that censored communication during previous wars? The America that demanded involuntary military service? The America that excluded women from so many opportunities? The America where exclusion and violence re homosexuals was routine?
rmd2020		#18	[-]
Posts: 214 (06/27/09 04:34:15) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Gregg Welpe lectured..... RMD2020, you are a piece of work sometimes, 1994 ring a bell?The Contract on America was introduced by then Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich. Your selective memory is truly indicative of most right-wing nutjobs, perhaps you should take a course in history 101 at a local community college to freshen your memory...... Thank you Mr. Gregg for recognizing that I am, indeed, a piece of work. Not a bad piece of work, either (even if I do say so myself). I have taken well beyond History 101, but it never hurts to go back and review history, because those who don't know it will repeat it in one form or another. The form that is taking place in the Obama administration, whether it is acknowledged by "progressives" or not, is one that at worst echoes the dictatorial aspects of despots and at the least imitates the one party political system we know and love to hate and suffer under here in Chicago and Illinois. The "Contract with America" (speaking of knowing history) is now nothing but a fond memory, with most of it being washed away by that other favorite socially liberal president, George W. Bush. (Why do you guys hate him so much? He was LBJ on steroids). Anyway, Obama is deconstructing the Nation's foundations and spending more than all 43 presidents combined, speaking of history. He rules a lot by Executive Order, has a very non-transparent administration and, like most meglalomaniacs, is on television and in the media constantly. Pretty soon we will all feel it necessary to have his picture behind every cash register and in the hallways of every home, because -- well, because if you don't you will not be a "good soldier of the revolution". Blue has it right, speaking of history again. The Dems, when in power have claimed absolute power. Which does what now? History 101... "absolute power corrupts _____________." You fill in the blank, please. I won't repeat what Blue mentioned (read the post), but the Dems have a very scary and dangerous history when left to mind the store. What's wrong with admitting the obvious: that Obama is a Marxist? Is that so bad? Each according to his ability, to each according to his needs (History 102). Nirvana is close. Bliss is around the corner from Pennsylvania Avenue, shovel ready, and racing towards Main Street. Last Edited By: rmd2020 06/27/09 04:37:06. Edited 1 times.
Vacationagent		#19	[-]
Posts: 4852 (06/27/09 05:03:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	rmd2020 wrote: when in power have claimed absolute power. Which does what now? History 101... "absolute power corrupts _____________." To the history buff: Do you know what Lord Acton was referring to when he said that? Care to share? Please put it in historical context for us, professor.
green earth		#20	[-]
Posts: 5345 (06/29/09 03:42:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	America was a great nation BEFORE it was highjacked by the extremists who complain incessantly about Obama socializing Amerika! I don't think Obama is socializing the country. I believe he's an out-and-out communist who hates the country he rules as much as you do. STOP IT. YOU ARE TOTALLY INSULTING WITH YOUR HATRED AND TELL US THAT WE AND OBAMA HATE THIS COUNTRY. YOU OWE THIS BOARD AN OUT AND OUT APOLOGY AND STOP WITH THE INSULTS AND SCARE TACTICS. When you know better, you do better. -Maya Angelou

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